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Somehow the idea of the team gets forgotten and it is back to asking Koolhaas about Koolhaas. What about Berlin? 'In all its forms and in all its episodes, Berlin has influenced me most, has most emotions good and bad'. While we are in the Neue Staatsgalerie, what about Mies? 'Mies is part of our unconscious'. We think of him 'like a parent We respect Mies less and less but feel more able to play with him.'

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