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Which client has commissioned work from Carlo Scarpa, Aldo Rossi, Martorell Bohigas Mackay, Neave Brown, Stanton Williams, Claudio Silvestrin, Ian Ritchie, Tony Fretton, Zaha Hadid, and Caruso St John - and has virtually nothing to show for it? London's Hayward Gallery, the director of which, Susan Ferleger Brades, has been there for a large proportion of the exhibitions that these and other architects designed.

Although appointed director in 1996, she has been with the gallery since 1980, originally as an exhibition organiser. 'I love working with architects,' she said. Her experience has included secondment to the development team for the Farrell masterplan in 1990, when she first looked at options for refurbishing the gallery or for replacing it - the option she now favours. Her involvement continued with helping to draft the masterplan competition won by Rogers. She is 'similarly involved in drafting the brief for this competition' for which she will be a jury member, as she was on the Jubilee Gardens competition, won by West 8.

Brades, an American who came to London to complete an ma at the Courtauld in 1978 and stayed, partly because she married a British architect, has a clear vision of what the Hayward should be doing. 'We are trying to challenge conventional historical readings of art-historical movements,' she said. 'We are really trying to provoke people.'

While enjoying her involvement in the architectural process she has, like everybody associated with the sbc, been frustrated by the inability to get anything done, but is confident this will change under Elliott Bernerd's chairmanship. 'He is immensely skilled at negotiating,' she said. 'There is a sense of optimism that something here is fundamentally going to change. I believe he wants the best for the arts venues.'

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